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Hey I am Back

by mouthy in

did anyone miss me????.

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Of course we missed you. Gald your back.

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Tv.jw.org - Average Jdub reaction? I'm getting NOTHING but Silence!

by 4thgen in

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hello all, as you know, when jw tv was announced, our board went wild.

many comments, much speculation and alot of negative feedback on the quality, etc.

well, what has me concerned is that i have not heard a peep from any of my connections left in kingdom-land.

I thought this was strange also. My husband went to his sepical assembly day this past Sunday and he said not one word was mentioned about it. My girlfriend from Bethel was just raving and raving about it last weekend and she texted me Monday morning saying it was on and it had started. She was so excited ( she does not know that I do not believe anymore. She lives accrose the country from me and she is a totally lifer she will never leave the religion EVER. We were very, very close at Bethel she was truly like a sister to me and I just do not have the heart to tell her how I really feel. It would be pointless.) So anyway I texed her back saying how great it was etc and I have heard nothing back. It's been a week now NOTHING. Strange. I keep thinking maybe she sees through me and thinks I am making fun of it but I do not see how as I have reread and reread my text to make sure that I did'nt come off snorky. It is just strange, not one word from anyone, even in my husband's hall.

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My appeal was successful. Now what?

by noonehome in

faders: why do we bother staying in?.

we cling to some false hope that people we love will accept us despite our not believing, even though its as much a fairytale as the dogmas based on untruths.. ive never been anything but a good friend and human being and would do anything for the people i love; i couldnt dream of shutting out someone i care about.

and its not like theyd revel in the idea of doing it either, yet its seen as not just the only choice, but also as undoubtedly the right thing to do.

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WT asking people to sell and uproot life to help w/ temporary building projects...

by EndofMysteries in

check out the new jan 2015 study wt, article, they offer themselves willingly.

they give examples of young and middle age brothers and sisters who are selling their dream homes, uprooting their lives, etc, to move to help w/ building branches, etc, and how they know it's only temporary but not worried about what happens when they send them home.

they then say will you put jah to the test and see if he won't open the flood gates of blessings for you.

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Thanks OTWO. It helps to talk about it now as it still hurts so much now that I allowed myself to be so duped into a lie and to see that they are still at it, it just makes me sick.

In all honesty there were parts of Bethel I loved. We came from serving were the need was great and it was the congreagtion from HELL. We did not have a life, marriage, anything. My husband was at the beck and call of anyone in the hall. Most of that hall was crazy, mentally ill with doctor's care. It was horrible. I even went to the CO and told him I was losing it and he got ticked off telling me that 'Jehovah was using my husband now in the hall and I could have a marriage in the new system that was going to happend very soon.'

So going to Bethel was like getting out of prison. We could finally eat dinner together as a couple even if it meant being at a table with 8 other people it was so much better than where I had come from. As busy as we were at Bethel it was nothing compared to how busy we were in that crazy hall.

Bottom line we were used but we were used less at Bethel than serving were the need was great. But still it just frosts me to see they lying like they did 20 years ago to get people to come build 90 Sands. In five ten years they will lay off again, until they find a new need.

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PS sorry about my spelling. I try to proff it but when I look back it's horrible. I just get so upset on some topics that my fingers move faster than I realize and I am just a horrible speller to begin with. After all I was not allowed to go to high school as the new system was going to happen before I would finsh 30 plus years ago.

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WT asking people to sell and uproot life to help w/ temporary building projects...

by EndofMysteries in

check out the new jan 2015 study wt, article, they offer themselves willingly.

they give examples of young and middle age brothers and sisters who are selling their dream homes, uprooting their lives, etc, to move to help w/ building branches, etc, and how they know it's only temporary but not worried about what happens when they send them home.

they then say will you put jah to the test and see if he won't open the flood gates of blessings for you.

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Another thing they fail to mention is that a lot of those couples who are in their 40's to 60's have worked full time jobs or at least the husband has while the wife pioneered, they have pensions and other money coming in from investments. So they are not going to Bethel with nothing like we did.

I know ALL the couples that were in their 40's, 50's and 60's we when we were there for 90 Sands had outside money coming in, most still owed their homes and rented them out or had the money from the sale of their home sitting in a bank account. No one who was older just came on a prayer and the hope that Jehovah would pick it up for them. My husband and I were one of the few truly stupid persons that bought into the garbage in the Watchtower.

Also Gill Nazroff who was head of the building program at the time and a real jerk we soon found out, told just my husband and I on our first day at Bethel to expect nothing from anyone. Gill said that he was 'so sick of people selling off everything and then running out of money and getting mad at Bethel for putting them in such a place.' Gill said 'no one made them come.' 'That Bethel even recived letters from ones who were broke with nothing and no one to help them asking Bethel why Jehoivah was not helping them.' But Gill told us 'it was not Bethel's fault nor Bethel's place to help them.'

I wonder why they do not put Gill's comments in the WT?

I was so stupid and even though Gill said that right off the bat on the first day to us I still thought Jehovah would help. In hindsight if Jehovah was involved it was Jehovah telling us to RUN. I was to stupid to see it.

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WT asking people to sell and uproot life to help w/ temporary building projects...

by EndofMysteries in

check out the new jan 2015 study wt, article, they offer themselves willingly.

they give examples of young and middle age brothers and sisters who are selling their dream homes, uprooting their lives, etc, to move to help w/ building branches, etc, and how they know it's only temporary but not worried about what happens when they send them home.

they then say will you put jah to the test and see if he won't open the flood gates of blessings for you.

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My husband and I did exactly that in 1991 when they needed to build 90 Sands in Brooklyn. I felt just like all those couples mentioned and was sure that Jehovah would provide if and when we left. We sold everything except what we could fit in our 1984 Hond Civic.

All I can say looking back is what a fool I was and what fools they are.

I literally prayed by brains our begging Jehovah for help, for a place to go, etc. Jehovah did not provide anything for us when we left, not even a congregation that wanted us. Many in the hall we went to looked down on us for being so stupid. It was such an eye opener to how much there is a huge lack of love in this religion. No one offered us anything, any help, a place to stay NOTHING. One sister did offer us her home for $200.00 over the going rent in the area and it was full of her junk which we were suposed to live with. Literarlly it was full of boxes and boxes of her stuff that we were just suposed to put up with. She was bat beep crazy. Here we were just out from Bethel and no jobs. She was offeded that we did'nt jump on her kind offer.

I was in my mid 20's and very idealistic, all I can say is that someone in their 40's, 50's, and 60's should definitely know better and they are headed for ruin. Now I can kind of understand why some in the hall looked at us like they did.

And now looking back I realize that 90 Sands was just for them to make money off. What a joke it all was, I gave up so much. So many years that I could have been making money to take care of myself in old age instead of having to work so hard now. Those people are just such fools.

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Is the AGM today?

by hamsterbait in

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anybody going or who can give us the noolite hot from the gb a$$?.

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Why Do Witnesses Promote A Unhealthy Lifestyle, My COBE weighs 340lbs (5ft 7in).

by BucketShopBill in

please don't take this the wrong way if your battling weight problems, that's not what this thread is meant to talk about.

i am asking this question because jehovah's witnesses claim they have "the best way of life", "god's blessing", "the truth" and are trying to change the habits of healthy people by turning them in to their own makings.

i watched people who were great athletes turn all their muscle in to fat because we would get a elder or circuit overseer make remarks they were spending too much time "working out" and "bodily training is beneficial for little".

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Before I got married I loved to run. There were many small towns around where I live and they would put on fun runs every year. I LOOOOOVED doing them. I would do one a month so as to not miss too many days of field service. It was so much fun and it made me feel so good about myself. As soon as I got married I had to stop because it was upsetting the ones in the hall as my husband was the only elder and I had to set a good example.

We lived in the country and pioneered. All we did was drive around aimlessley. We would all pile in our Honda Civic, we got up to six people in it. Being I was the thinnest I always had to sit in the back in the middle between the heavies. We would dive 8 to 10 hours and I would get out of the car maybe 4 or 5 times if I was Lucky fortunate, but we always stopped at some small town where there was a store and all the ones in the car who had no money to help with gas would go in and buy huge soda's, bags of chilps and candy bars. We had no AC in our car and the smell of that kind of food along with body ordors just made me sick. I would come home so wiped from the day that exercises was the last thing I wanted to do.

Everyone in the hall was heavy. I was in my mid 20's and all the sisters my age were 30 to 40 over weight. I begged and begged to do door to door work and NO ONE WOULD DO IT. They all just wanted to drive around. One sister my age lived two blocks from her job and if her husband was in our car group we would have to drive 30 miles back into the town we lived in to pick her and drive her to work. No joking. She could not walk the two blocks.

In the bigger city where I grew up there is a huge run, it draws over 60,000 people every year. I loved doing running it, but one of the elders totally flipped out and went to the CO who then did a part on the assembly about why no JW would ever run in that race. The CO said why would any of Jehovah's people want to spend time with the world when they could give their time to Jehovah. The elder who flipped out about that race, his wife is 100 pounds over weight. That same wife came up to me one day and told me you know you are going to be fat when you get older. It was totally out of the blue that she said that to me. I just looked at her like WHAT, where did that come from. It was because I was working for a job that required me to lift and move fast and she said the only reason I was thin was because of my job as soon as I lost the job I would get fat.

I swear JW's are so hateful it's unreal.

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Can anyone disprove 607 BCE date using only the NWT and WT literature?

by Bart Belteshassur in

i haven't come across any arguement that does not involve secular history and external references.

in fact the wt can not get to 607 bce without using external sources as in knowing that they need to get back from 1914 ce to 607 bce, and botching an argument using an external date as reference to create their start point at 537 bce.. i realize that to get the final date we must provide a fixed figure from somewhere which can only be a historical source, but the objective would be to disprove the wt flim flam.

once that is achieve we can use which ever fixed historical point they wish to chose.

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Question for current and former elders: did you feel qualified to give counsel for depression?

by kneehighmiah in

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do you feel the counseling demands placed on elders are fair and scriptural?.

i live in an economically depressed industial city.

my dad is an elder in a lower income black congregation.

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I can only speak as an elders wife but it was horrible. My husband did truly care about the mentally ill and most of the other elders would not even talk to them. The CoBE one time actually ran in the hall from one horribally ill guy. This guy did not bath and just mumbled when he talked but loved to go out in service so we always would up with him in our car group. I would have to spray the car with Lysol after service as our car smelled so bad. What the householders thought I have often wondered. What it was a day out for the mentally ill. To be with him or any of them at the door was so painful, I just wanted crawl away so many times. But they had their rights to go door to door.

I have been out in service with people who are hearing voices, who shake so badly they cannot even hold thier Bibles. I have been yelled at, screamed at, told I had no right as I was just the wife, you name it I have been there, done that.

We had one guy threaten to kill us and when we called Bethel telling them we were going to go to the police Bethel told us NO! They did not want Jehovah's name brought into it. Like sending extream mentally ill people door to door was not bring reporch on Jehovah's name? I went through two years of hell by this guy coming into the restaurant where I worked threating me. Only when one of the halls in the area got a restraining order would my husband agree that we could but even with the restraining order it did nothing as the guy was so crazy. I really thought he would kill us as he had many guns in his home.

The CO at the time all of this was happening told me that I was being unfair when I told him I could not handle it, I was totally losing it. We did not have a marriage, and we were just newely married as my husband was gone all the time. The CO told me that Jehovah was using my husband now and I could have him in the new system which was going to happen very soon. That was 25 years ago now.

It all came to a head with the pedophiles and I just lost it finally when a CO told me that I had no say in taking the child molesters in MY CAR because my husband was an elder. That was the final straw and I was done. We went to marriage counseling and even the counselor told my husband she could only handle an hour with a truly mentally ill person without a break. Here my husband had been spending hour, and hours and hour either on the phone or at their homes.

The marriage counselor agreeded with me that it was crazy for the religion to expect someone untrained like my husband to be an elder. Then the body deleated my husband because after all the years of hell I went through, by my standing up about the pedophiles I was not in subjection enough now and my husband did not qualify because he could not keep me in line.

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